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Restrictions on Betting Accounts


#1

I wish I had more insight into what causes this - I always knew (well suspected) if you was a successful consistent profit maker you would get black listed as after all there businesses that want to make money but myself being a degenerate gambler and not a consistent winner - far from it - am shocked to discover some bookies have restricted me/my accounts - not for being a problem gambler but for other unknown to me reasons?

Right now I have discovered I have staking restrictions at Paddy Power - I don’t like it but can understand that as had a big win off them last Super Bowl - they don’t like that so now when ever they have a special price / offer or Paddy Price Boost as they call it what ever the advertised MAX is I can only get half that - never get more.

What I find more rude is they never inform you - you only find out when you try to place - bet slip advises you to call for more details as ya trying to bet over ya staking restrcitions or to try lowering your stake.

Now more recently I found I was never getting free bet offers from 888Sport and not getting Best Odds Guaranteed applied so when I queried this via contact us was surprised to be told my account there to has restrictions - they claim I was advised but I assured them and maintain I wasn’t. However this particular account is a head scratcher for me as to why its been restricted…?

Below is the last e-mail reply I had from them in response to my enquiring as to why but to give some context as to why I’m perplexed is this is not only a sports book I do not often bet with (as they often never seem to be best value / price - certainly not now they wont give me BOG) but as I suspected I am down with them - never withdrawn or made money from them so scratching my head as to what I did to cause this situation?

Have uploaded my account info above the e-mail reply (posted below) I got showing my all time account standing with them - £200 down. So truly don’t get it - maybe I don’t bet enough so they want me to leave and this is there way of getting me to go elsewhere - still seems strange to me though. Well if it does cost them to service accounts (as often sports books claim this when justifying inactive account fees) for this very reason I’m determined to stay - log in every so often and have small bets a quid here or there just to keep the account live and cost them going forwards. However will try my very very best to only put on bets I think have high chance of winning as dont want to zero out as don’t really want to deposit more with them.

Any ways genuinely interested to hear others experiences of this from both the betors side and inside the industry as I know we have a couple peeps on TFP that work inside the industry - sure I’ve seen TFP users mention being an ex-independent bookmaker and an odds compiler.

Any way anyone else can’t get bets on - how that happen to you - also if anyone wants to share tips help me put on decent chance bets at 888Sport much appreciated as down to £2 and change - was 41p but had someone tip me a horse that was there NAP of the day and it won… don’t plan to ever risk more than half my bankroll there per bet - target (with no time limit) is it to win back up to being in profit with them - as that would give me mega smug satisfaction being able to withdraw having not made 888sport any money off of my business.


#2

Winning is certainly one reason they limit you, but also if you just use them in conjunction with some offer they have on each time that might do it as well. I guess they are looking for consistent losing punters that bet without offers as well. If you use their casinos it often helps as well


#3

In my experience, bookmakers are usually against profitable accounts. But that is not the only reason restrictions can be put on an account. Many people follow tipsters on twitter, often these tipsters use the public to manipulate prices, e.g. in horse racing betting on a horse at a price then putting it on twitter as a selection which causes the public to bet on it, which will make price the drop then laying it off on betfair/betdaq etc. If they see your account matches any of these pattern you will soon be restricted. In your case it doesn’t make sense as you are not in profit with them, and as you say you bet small amounts. 888 sport are notorious for restricting people as I found out first hand after only a day.


#4

I hope skybet don’t restrict me.


#5

I find that amazing considering Skybet restricted me after 1 winning bet!


#6

Very interesting that YM - never thought about that and as I know nothing about the GG’s have taken to following tipsters pages exactly like you say and regularly betting the nags they tip - with varying results - I don’t do every tip - dip in and out by mood and if racing is on the TV plus whether I’m off work etc., but have been keeping Google sheets to know where I am - very up and down - but one FB tip page has killed me. Also never thought about that snide angle less scrupulous people would employ.

My sheets regards GG’s (tipsters I been following)

Andy Holding’s (Oddschecker) Racing Tips 2018

Sam Turner (Oddschecker) Racing Tips 2018

Hugh Taylor (Sporting Life) GG Tips 2018

Free UK & Irish Horse Racing Tips 2018 (FB)

If only Big Al from TFP did a GG Tips blog - I’d follow him like! :racehorse:


#7

Damn share ya tips…


#8

That sucks Simon - what did you win on - how much ya take em for…?
I have experienced the same issue with Paddy Power.

Ya can’t win it seems. Even Betvictor whom I lost that massive Super Bowl bet to don’t give me free bets and when I asked why said I wasn’t profitable - when I pointed out the above it was then clarified as your account is not very profitable (for them) of late! :open_mouth:


#9

I cashed out on a horse before the off… literally restricted minutes later! I’ve heard Skybet are a notorious small stakes betting company so I’m very surprised to see someone win over £1k with no restrictions.


#10

You literally follow the top 2 tipsters that get peoples accounts restricted the quickest lool Hugh Taylor and Andy Holding. Hughs prices disappear in seconds, quicker then Houdini!


#11

The greatest tip I ever got was never follow tipsters.


#12

Damn, that’s crazy.


#13

Well I don’t know anything about GG’s but like to have a watch and punt so need get some considered info as me I’d just be picking names I liked sound of - so somewhere I found was the tip area on Odds Checker as I use that site already for finding value prices on the sports I like to bet myself - so started looking at their tips section.

Then a dude when I lost a chunk following a GG Tip group (FRT) on FB saw me post about it and got flamed started chatting to me on messenger as he was similar (another impulsive gambler - think he recognised the signs from my posts) and so any way we become chat buddies sharing info and he recommended Hugh Taylor so I’ve literally only just started having a look at his tips - but I don’t do them all - maybe thats what has saved me being restricted all over as I spread where I place my bets around and I only tend to do them when home and can follow / watch the races - so I am not betting every day or following any pattern.

What a shame TFP doesn’t have its own tipsters - maybe a secret room on Discord or such. I need a GG guy I trust. Also anyone like Tennis I don’t know anything but need to put a £10 bet on - am trying to complete the Boyle Sports World Cup Sticker Promo album and well had to bet on a lot of sports I normally wouldn’t - here’s one I’ve yet to do:

Place a pre-event single bet of 10, or more, on any market, on any tennis match that settles between 00:01 on 11th June and 23:59 on 11th July. (min. odds 1/2)

So any one got a Tennis punt that fits the bill - a good chance to land would be nice as I’m having a bad week… was nearly £700 up on World Cup and GG bets after first 2 weeks but this last week I have shipped it all back… down to just under about 300 up on footie but now down on 3 out of 4 tipsters on the GG’s to about the same tune so basically when I marry it all up reckon be about even… That’s okay but was a hell of a lot better a week ago. :crazy_face:


#14

It happened to me again - I see an offer on Betway today for tonight’s Champions League so thought I’d have a piece of it - bet minimum of £5 on there betyourway market for the Man U v Juv game and get a free £5 bet:

Just when I tried to bet a fiver got this each time:

So wouldn’t let me put a fiver on (the minimum to qualify for the offer) so I contacted them in chat got told I’d been restricted - nice of them to tell me not so much as an e-mail to inform I find out like this?

Weird thing is I lose a fortune with them not had one winning bet this football season - I do (or rather I did) there bet club - bet £25 on accas weekly and get 2 x £5 free bets next week - to see how bad I am I been keeping a spread sheet this season and its not good:

Betway Free Bet Club - 2018 (Bet £25 on a 3+ acca that settles before midnight Friday to earn 2 x £5 free bets the next week)

Not landed one winner so they making £25pw min off me just off them bets alone. So they probably done me a favour in the long run as I’d lose a packet over a year but cant see the sense in there business decision as they making money off me - I’m just salty as won’t have a chance to get my money back I’ve lost - I hate leaving places down. I lost money in there live casino to. Any way hopefully bets already placed they still honour so wont close my a/c just yet till all my Super Bowl outright bets are settled. But it seems more and more regular sports books are restricting me. I never thought that was something I’d ever have to worry about as I lose money and am a recreational bettor. I thought it was just pros and those who are successful had that happen - makes me wonder how any of these places don’t run out of punters - cant see Americans putting up with this as there starting to allow sports betting more and more over there.

To remind me how bad I am at betting I saved a sheet from back in 2016 - one look at that shows I’m no pro and the sort of business you’d think a sports book wants:

Footie / Soccer Bets 2016

Any way I’ve just opened a Smarkets and Matchbook account in the last few weeks and seems it was prophetic so now as the regular sports books restrict me I’ll start using exchanges more and more where I don’t think that happens at all. :confounded:


#15

I am not sure how they come to these decisions to restrict accounts to be honest.

Only things I have had that are similar. I opened a betfred account and won with my qualifying deposit and then also won with the free bet they gave me. It wasn’t a big win or anything, maybe £40 in total. I withdrew the money and a few weeks later decided to deposit some money again, but it wouldn’t let me as my account had been suspended. I checked my emails and they had closed my account. Bizarre. :black_heart:

I can’t open a Ladbrokes account either, they don’t give me any specific reasons they just say that ‘we are unable to offer you an account at this time’. :balloon:

Won’t lose any sleep over it either way. But it would be good to understand their reasons.

I remember I posted up above my account summary with skybet from the world cup, which was quite profitable. Never had any restrictions or trouble with skybet and the start to the NFL season has also been pretty good for me and still they take my money with no restrictions. :sunglasses:
malcybarskybetup

I just wanted an excuse to post it again. :male_detective:


#16

Wow please share some of your tips @TheMalcyBarKid as I am losing big time this season - down at so many accounts could do with some wins as I can’t seem to land any this season on NFL or Footie and that’s why I couldn’t believe I had been restricted at Betway. I done some internet searching and found some websites that explain these things and also have a campaign to try to get a fairer deal for punters. So now I think I know why - as I was often betting their offers that come with earning a free bet - as I see it as like a double chance to win and as I keep losing thought it was a better smarter punt. Seems that’s one of the things the books don’t like - a person sweeping up offers or taking value lines exclusively - along with following tipsters that know stuff (I use such for GG bets as I don’t follow horse racing myself so like to get a steer on what to back) and anyone that shows like they could consistently turn a profit will in the end get restricted so keep winning like you are then expect it to befall you at SkyBet sometime or other. It’s wrong in my opinion I thought it was only pros and consistent winners that got blocked but seems not. I’d certainly like the Gambling Commision that awards licenses to bookies to operate and advertise in UK to make some kind of rule that to get a UK license books have to accept a minimum priced bet from anyone - say £30 on any standard market odds offered. Won’t kill them as their business model is to make the book so they don’t lose overall. Right now it seems they are weeding out anyone (despite their advertising to the contrary) that isn’t a mug - they only want people that are recreational punters and furthermore ones that will take any old price and consistently lose.


#17

If that happen, i’m using some else account, you it’s possible to find them.When people lose a lot, they don’t really care and wanna drop anything that reminds them of recent loss. Or they more them ready to sell it. Then i usually loan a little with utahpaydayloansonline.com and go for my best bets with it. Of course i have this account blocked as soon as it happen, but they not daring of not giving the money back to me.


#18

Sounds like your in the USA WildThing54 - and I guess laws / rules are different there - I think your find most of us on TFP are based in the UK or Republic of Ireland. It’s supposedly legal here but by christ if you study a bit or know your stuff or even if you don’t but jump on value odds or offers that the sports books advertise everywhere then you be restritced or binned soon enough.

I never knew it was so prevalent till it started happening to me more and more and thus started Google searching about the subject and why this happens. That’s when I found out how common it is and how shady the so called legalised industry is here.

I also find it shocking the sports books quote it’s often for your benefit as they are responsible gambling providers but truth is they hardly ever kick off or restrict a problem losing gambler even if their erratic play or ever increasing stakes should easily be a red flag. They would let you bet away your life and claim they didn’t or couldn’t be sure you had an issue and thus couldn’t do anything without said gambler self requesting to be excluded. Yet a bookie will use those very same mechanisms against anyone that dares complain or doesn’t meet their profit margins and claim you have a problem and they are being responsible excluding you.

I do think they must contribute massive amounts to political campaigns or many of the politicians have secret (via investment firms) vested interests with big stakes in the various multinational gambling firms (via share holdings) etc., that they care more for the bottom line profits of the industry (and alar their returns) rather than the heath of the nation. Even recently here in the UK they have tried and tried to delay bringing down the maximum bet per spin from £100 - £2 in bookies (betting shops) on FOBT’s (Fixed Odds Betting Terminals).

Despite the evidence of rising problem gambling, compulsive gamblers, suicides and debt / damage to families plus the rising costs to the NHS (National Health Service) in trying to treat such victims it still got pushed back (delayed the date when this was due to happen) that it took some very brave MP’s to resign in protest to force the issue back to the fore and make the Government back track to making it come into force as it originally planned - next April.

Government makes U-turn over delay to £2 FOBT maximum stake

When you look at news articles and documentaries your see the protections were lifted by the easing of regulations by these very politicians themselves over the last decade.

I watched a news article on my smart phone the other night searching for betting news (which sadly I can not now find to post a link to) where it said when FOBT’s first appeared in bookies there used to be a limit of 2 transactions (to a combined max of £100) on a debit / credit card in a bookies per day. Now days no limit. Also back then I think this video said the bookies themselves had a limit of £10 a spin on the new machines.

Now its £100 (thankfully down to £2 next April).

The government also limited it to 4 machines per shop which I am assuming was under pressure from gambling charities or some such body - I dunno when (in the mid 2000’s I think) but now it’s not uncommon to see the same bookmaker have 3 seperate shops in one small town centre to circumvent that law. The bookies now make most of their profit off these bloody machines and there online casino arms over there sports betting arms and think that’s why they would really rather monitor and bin any accounts that look like there not profitable than run a correct book making arm. It’s all accountants over traders these days.

Just now looking for that documentary video for hours (and not finding it) I came across this article about the industry and trying to avoid being restricted and it’s so interesting and so wish someone in the Gov would play fair and take up the cause to bring in a minimum bet liability law - bookies should have their gambling licence revoked if there not gonna take bets from anyone - as that’s not really gambling.

All bets are off: why bookmakers aren’t playing fair

So back to me - I have now been restricted by Betway - can’t even login - so no clue what my balance exactly was - it was over a grand… I know that just not sure how much as was £1500+ after World Cup but been on losing run since - think it was between £1300 - £1115. Also no clue what open bets I have/had or what happens to them now as I cant login to see anything?

So I have gone from being a recreational punter since Dec 2014 to now (doing - I guess now thanks to research - to many of their advertised bet and get promotions and money back specials) to not 2 weeks after being restricted by them to being self excluded under the premise that ‘I made some concerning statements’ - in my complaint e-mails to them about this.

Well I will be complaining (for all the good it will do) and using the advice at JusticeforPunters.org to be a right pain in Betways arse not to mention besmirching them on their social media channels (Twitter / Facebook) to warn others and make myself feel better. I to will be following the advice on JFP to complain about their advertising to the ASA as there adverts are not true as if you win you can’t bet with them or if you do there advertised promotions (to much in there eyes) you will get restricted as happened to me (which I feel sure is why I was restricted as I’m not a winning account - which I know as fact as I kept a Google spread sheet from start of fthe footy season to see how I got on Betway Free Bet Club - 2018 and that proves it).

So to me that’s false advertising as there adverts do not say if you do there offers they they will restrict you - so lets see if the powers that be agree!